EPALE Discussion: Vocational education and training for adults – what is needed and how to get it
As part of our November focus on vocational education and training (VET) for adults, EPALE is organising an online written discussion on what vocational skills adults need today and what challenges they face in acquiring them.
The discussion will take place on this page and will start on 30 November 2017 at 10:00am CET. It will be moderated by EPALE’s Thematic Coordinator for Quality, Andrew McCoshan.
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VET for adults in Europe?
Hello everyone,
Although delayed (especially since we had a longer weekend due to a national holiday), here is our contribution
Challenges
1 - What factors are driving change in VET for adults in Europe?
According many studies, nowadays, the national qualification systems are forced to adjust to world’s profound and rapid transformations. With regard to adult education and training the main triggers of these changes are the demographic and environmental modifications, the technological development, the new work organization and socioeconomic factors (such as economic crises, unemployment and migrants phenomena).
2 – How is work changing, how is this affecting the skills needed?
These factors generate skills obsolescence responsible for long-term unemployment and disengagement from the labour market, gaps between individual jobs skills and changing skills demands of the labour market, social exclusion, poverty and inequality.
Besides that, adults also need new skills, for instance digital literacy, communication, leadership and entrepreneurship, critical thinking, in order to maintain their employability.
3 – Which groups of adults are most in need of VET and are they able to get it?
Those more affected are adults without basic skills (reading, writing and calculation), adults with lower or none digital competencies, migrants, and young adults that drop out school without secondary level of education.
As Industry 4.0 becomes a reality, other adults with more qualifications are also affected, especially those who did not study or work in technological areas.
4 – What obstacles do they face? Which groups of adults face most obstacles?
Recently, the study Building an effective skills strategy for Portugal, OECD concluded that Portuguese adults have low qualifications and do not participate much in learning because: they have low motivation to participate (roughly 5 out 6 adults do not want to participate in education and training), they have limited access to information on learning possibilities and they face unequal access to those information (the access decrease as they get older and as they have less qualification). Other barriers are personal reasons (not specified), the training places distance, the training costs, the family responsibilities, the lack of awareness about education and training importance, the conflicts with work schedule, the lack of employer’s support or public services support and the lack of prerequisites (eg. they have no elementary skills to access the first level of National Qualifications Framework).
Indeed who face most obstacles are the adults with fewer and lower qualifications.
Responses
5 – How does VET for adults need to change (curriculum, pedagogy, learning settings, qualifications, systemic frameworks like governance)?
Portuguese educational and training system for adults has been restructured since 2000. In that year Portugal announced a national system to recognize and accredit prior learning. In 2015, under a flagship program – New Opportunities Initiative – this system was boosted and implemented as a strategic plan to speed up the pace of secondary level achievement in the Portuguese population and fulfill de goal of rapidly catch up with European averages. However, the economic crises and the high youth unemployment, that happened around 2012, had reversed investment in adult education and training. In 2017, the new Government tried to recover public qualification policies for adults through the creation of Qualifica Program. Therefore, in Portugal, in the last decade there was an inconsistency in public policy adult education responsible for demotivation of the adults without qualifications and the discredit of the civil society.
Moreover, according OECD study “Building an effective skills strategy for Portugal”, nowadays there are three areas that the Government of Portugal should consider as a priority: 1) increase awareness about the importance of skills for success in work and life, especially among the low skilled population and employers, and increase the motivation do undertake or deliver adult learning; 2) improve the access, quality and relevance of adult learning, including pathways across programs, and monitoring and evaluation of results; 3) and ensure the effective governance and financing of the adult learning system.
So, more than curriculum or pedagogic changes, Portugal needs coherent and consistent policies and a new model for financing it. Nowadays, Portugal depends on European founds to have educational and training courses for adults or a national system of recognition, validation and accreditation of competences.
6 - Who needs to be involved to make VET for adults effective and why (civil society, VET providers, employers, public employment services, other stakeholders)?
It is essential to involve employers (because nowadays a huge quantity of training is assured by enterprises), training providers, specialists, public employment services, trade unions, opinions makers, local institutions and services, in a permanent dialogue, in order to: solve the mismatch between qualification system and labour market needs; to reduce costs; to find new ways to get financial resources, and to learn how to develop the potential of workers and citizens.
Civil society should also participate, especially to understand the relevance and impact of non-formal and informal learning.
7 – What sort of connections do we need to make between continuing VET for adults and initial VET for young people?
We need to develop preventive strategies to avoid young people to leave school earlier, without a qualification to get in the labour market. We also should invest in a new high school access model that can be more appropriate and favorable to students completing secondary level qualification courses. Today, these students have not the same conditions in access universities courses than the other ones. These two factors prevent many young people from pursuing their studies or from accessing available jobs. Consequently, they reach adulthood with many deficits to solve in all dimensions of their lives.
The investment on digital and soft skills should happen in the early years of education for young people, so they can have the relevant and effective skills when they became adults. That type of competencies allows them to adjust to the new challenges they will face in the future.
8 – What obstacles stand in the way of making these connections?
Portugal is reducing the rates of early school and training leavers (the rate decreased from 18,9% in 2013 to 14% in 2016). The PISA study shows an improvement in achievement in reading, maths and science literacies. The rates of adult participation in learning are also recovering as the promotion of adult education plays a central role in the current education policy.
According the “Education and training Monitor 2017”, “despite these positive trends, concerns remain over equity”. This report shows that “the proportion of low achievers among students from the bottom socioeconomic quartile is 25 pps. higher than from the upper socioeconomic quartile” (“4,5 % among students from the top socioeconomic quartile compared to 29,9% for students from the bottom socioeconomic quartile”). In addition, with more than 31 % of students having repeated a grade, Portugal has the third highest rate of grade repetition in the EU. The social gap in this respect is significant, with rates over 52 % among disadvantaged students and less than 9% among advantaged ones. The gaps between non-migrants and both first- and second-generation immigrants - as measured by early school leaving rates, PISA performance and grade retention - are comparatively small”.
To prevent early school leavers and consequently adults without qualifications in future, Portugal also needs to increase the attractiveness of education in general. The curricula must be more flexible, integrating and significant for students. Maybe it is a step solved when all curricula will be redesigned (based on learning outcomes).
Other obstacle is related to pedagogic methods, because they have to be adapted to new skills that will be needed in the future, mainly in soft skills training (for instance, cooperative learning).
9 – What role should be played by validation of non-formal and informal learning?
Validation of non-formal and informal learning is essential for an effective lifelong learning. All of us are able to learn in all contexts of our lifetime, so everyone has knowledge that can be harnessed to continuously learn more. Nobody should have to learn again what they already knows. The validation of non-formal and informal learning can be used to set someone on a certain level of qualification. Having this setting, adults can pursuit higher levels of qualification.
The recognition of prior (non-formal and informal) learning is relevant because it enables the correspondence between those learning and the formal national system of qualification. It also supports the mobility across Europe.
This recognition is also positive because it can value the experience and the knowledge of the adults and, at the same time, is a motivator for lifelong learning.
Studies carried out in Portugal about New Opportunities Initiative showed that evidence as the adults expressed willingness to keep learning after finishing a recognition, validation and certification process.
Nowadays the work of the Qualifica Centres highlights the value of this validation. Adults without qualification in Portugal have the opportunity to work with a team that helps them in vocational counseling. Then, these adults can identify their skills and choose a new path to reach a higher level of qualification (school or professional).
That’s why Upskilling Pathways initiative considers this validation. This initiative aims to help adults acquire a minimum level of literacy, numeracy and digital skills and/or acquire a broader set of skills by progressing towards an upper secondary qualification or equivalent (level 3 or 4 in the European Qualifications Framework (EQF) depending on national circumstances).Thank you for participating!
And thank you, Andrew, for moderating yet another lively the discussion on EPALE.
We will leave the comments open so everyone is still welcome to post their thoughts.
All the best,
Some final thoughts
I can't do justice to the many comments made
this afternoon, but here are some of the things I will take away myself:
We should be starting with the teachers and also the managers of vocational
institutions, and those responsible for training in companies. At the moment,
those of us involved in policy tend to say “let's do X" and then train the
teachers. Instead, we should be saying “let's discuss with teachers what X
should be".
We tend to focus on national policy and
practice, but especially in larger countries, we should also be emphasising regional and local action.
We need to get the spatial scale correct!
We need “vocational
+" in which transversal skills are given just as much prominence as
technical ones. The key question is how best to teach and capture these within
programs?
When it comes to learning settings, we have a great opportunity opening up for a
mixed approach–it's not a question of either/or when we're talking about
virtual learning and physical settings, but about mixtures of both and offering
learners choices that suit them.
But it's a great challenge we face in,
essentially, convincing the entire labour force not just of the value of
learning, but giving people the skills to be autonomous learners. As part of this we need to develop the idea of
“learning careers" to sit alongside “work careers".
No one seems to disagree with the idea that we
need to lose the distinction between
initial and continuing vocational training. But does the content stay the
same? And even if it does, we will surely need different pedagogies for young
people and adults.
Finally, if there is a slogan to emerge from
this discussion it must surely be that we need to be “not one step behind, but one step ahead"! It's not enough
simply to deal with the “emergencies" facing particular target groups: we
need “preventative" mindsets to inform practices for all learners if we
are to face the challenges ahead.
We hope you enjoyed the discussion and will find further food for thought in the content posted during November around the vocational training topic, if you haven't already done so!
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Engaging with teachers + learners
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Conclusions
Your final thoughts sound as great challenges for future to be solved in vocational education, paying special attention to the management ,teachers and learners.
• Who needs to be involved to make VET for adults effective and
Any kind of change, being educational, societal, cultural or otherwise is not easy to achieve and sustain. It becomes even more challenging when there are large numbers of people from all walks of life involved. Change does not happen in a structured or linear way, but is more likely to follow a path of many twists and turns.
A close assessment and Needs Analysis of the current situation i.e. making VET for adult learners and educators effective and careful planning will help in designing a project that meets the real needs of the stakeholders and beneficiaries. The needs analysis initiates the involvement and engagement of all stakeholders:
1. Funders, education department officials, NGOs, trainers, teachers, learners, parents, employers and employees etc.
2. The government structure provides the system to ensure that there are no barriers to a project meeting its objectives, therefore all reporting mechanisms and decision making processes need to be embedded into the project model.
The success of a change programme relies on taking account of people’s feelings and beliefs, as well as exploring and exploiting their skills, talents and experiences which every adult brings along. This opportunity opens up communication with all involved.Learning Validation
I have to leave shortly due to other commitments, but I
would like to quickly address the final question on the list for this
afternoon, namely that of the validation of non-formal and informal learning (V-NFIL)
and the role that this should play in the future .
In short, we spend rather a lot of time segmenting learning
that takes place at a certain age, or within specific learning environment yet
it is increasingly important to encourage adults (and young people) to continue
to develop their vocational (and, in some cases, transversal) skills sets throughout
their lives, irrespective of time or location.
We need to ensure that systems recognise all forms of learning
(intentional and unintentional; formal, non-formal and informal) and that there
are clear mechanisms in place to allow for the identification and documentation
of previous learning and (where possible) for its assessment and certification
or accreditation. Equally, however, we need to ensure that individual learners
are sufficiently aware of the skills that they have and of mechanisms for, and
the benefits of, presenting these skills to others, especially with a view to
securing access to employment, or to continuing education and training
opportunities.
In short, we need to reduce the labelling and distinction across
different learning environments, and to encourage learning recognition in all
its forms.
And some further questions
What obstacles stand in the way of making these connections?
What role should be played by the validation of non-formal and informal learning?
change and involvement
Hello everyone, I am Alice Fleischer from Austria. I am with the Institute for Economic Promotion of the Federal Economic Chamber, one of the largest providers of vocational and education training in Austria with about 350.000 cource participants that attend about 33 33.000 training courses and Seminars per year. We also support Austrian companies expanding internationally. (www.wifi.at)
Here are some quick thoughts with regards to INVOLVEMENT.
With regards to the challenges posed by global trends – technological, demographic, socio-economic disruption – and the transformation of industries and business models, the required skills set of employees is changing. Basic skills needed and therefore focused on in VET have to include digital skills. Furthermore, the required skills sets are becoming increasingly broad and high.
In ordert o address this challenge on a national level, countries need to make VET systems and providers themselves more responsive to companies’ needs. Institutionalised dialogue and a strong role of employers and other organisations of the world of work, such as Chambers of Commerce at system level as well as well as in the provision of the actual training, is one answer. Only this will ensure that VET qualifications and their underlying curricula are geared towards the needs of the labour market.
With regards to the „world of learning“ in its need to CHANGE:
People will have to improve their abilities to handle the unexpected in their daily business routines. Self-regulated learning is becoming more and more important. The necessitv „to know how to do“ – in addition to the mere „know how“ - is a challenge for all of us in our business environment. How do we apply our knowledge in order to handle challenges and solve problems. With regards to training and teaching as such, the need for teachers and instructors is to rethink their role and to to become more of a facilitator rather than a lecturer. Learners of any age need to become self-confident problem solvers and innovators. Didactics and methodology need to enable that and therefore have to untergo some basic changes. The Institutes for economic Promotion in Austria have developed the learning model LENA with a set of criteria for a vibrant and sustainable learning. (LENA stands for LEbending und NAchhaltig lernen) (www.wifi.at/lena ).
Furthermore, with the growing importance of informal learning due to the technical possibilities, we need to rethink our current frames of examination in order to be able to validate the competences that are actually required in the business world. This is probably one of the biggest challenges in the world of education and assessing.
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Self-learning
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You are absolutely right. In
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self-learning
I totally agree and I think students must be granted opportunities to engage in autonomous learning scenarios from an early age.
Teacher Motivation
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Raising the profession
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Management and Motivation
There is a need for professional analyses and studies.
Hello, here Maria from Poland
I think that we are fortunate to live, learn and work in very interesting times,. Poland for 13 years being integrated with the European Union, especially, what is important for me, in the meaninig of adult and vocational education. You asked what factors are driving change in VET for adults in Europe? In the case of Poland I can say that the factors which have an influance in VET for adults in Europe, connected with whole economical situation and needs of labour market. Some people would like to change their proffession because of diffrent motivations like earning more money and f.e. be more useful for theirs companies. But there are a lot of people, who doesn’t want to change or enrich theirs qualifications, soi t is important to show tchem how it is so important - it is big challange for them. They need suport especially of their employer or another institutions like – University or centures of in-service training. I think it is important to give them chances of right help and proffessional education and to make their activity mor sensible. This problem is incresing because these groups of people are not small. There is also a large group of young people who often finds their right paths in theirs life. It is also not very easy to solve because Polish regions are very diffrent in the meaninig of labour market and its offer. I think that there is a need for professional analyses and studies, to be financed from huge research programmes, on the changes and tendencies in VET development to support the educational policy mainstreaming and reforms. How does VET for adults need to change (curriculum, pedagogy, learning settings, qualifications, systemic frameworks like governance)? It is important to develop curriculum and pedagogy to be suit and adapt to the changing labour market. The conselor of work and his role in this process is also very important. He ought to enrich psychological possibilieties too, so the support for adult people will be more effective. Best regards.
Maria Idźkowska - the ambassador of EPALE
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... knowing more about the local level
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Thank You
Maria Idźkowska - Ambassador of EPALE
Time for change
VET delivery mechanisms need to change and expand, making
better use of new technologies to deliver or complement VET programmes and
providing on-demand or just-in-time learning and training opportunities that reflect and respond to a rapidly evolving labour market.
Policy and regulatory actors need to consider how bite-sized
VET could be fully recognised allowing learners to accumulate knowledge and skills
as they progress through their lives and their careers. A kind of “open badges”
system but with more formal recognition.
Those delivering VET need to consider how best to market VET,
working with guidance and employment professionals to complement employment
opportunities with preparatory and continuing VET opportunities.
Greater autonomy and responsibility should also be
encouraged among those already active in the labour market, seeking access to
relevant continuing training opportunities that might enable progression and
forward movement. Of course, freely-accessible training would further
facilitate this.
As it stands, whilst there have been vast improvements in
terms of widening access and facilitating learning recognition, there is still
a long way to go.
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The content of VET needs to be addressed as well
I think
this is all exceedingly important, but there is also a need to think about ensuring the content of what is delivered is sufficiently responsive to meeting
both current and projected labour market demands.
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VET content
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Ongoing professional development
How does VET for adults need to change: learning settings
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learning settings ...
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Hi Rudy
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Learning settings
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Learning Settings
Welcome to this afternoon's session
Who needs to be involved to make VET for adults effective and why?
How does VET for adults need to change
Perhaps
we need to be rid of the distinction between IVET and CVET and the often
implicit assumption that the former is for young people and the latter for
older adults. If people will be increasingly
called upon - at various stages in their life-cycle - to move between jobs which
are substantially different in skill content, then traditional IVET courses may
be ideally suited to assisting them make such transitions successfully. Just a thought.
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IVET and CVET
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Lose the distinction!
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Vocational training programs
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Vocational training for transversal skills
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Vocational +
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VET Programs
"Education Science"
University of Latvia
Regionalized VET for adults
In order to match the labor market's needs for skills together with migrants needs for VET at upper secondary level the Swedish government has decided for a model of regionalized VET adult education. Today's VET for adults in Sweden has not focused on the demand for skills of the labor market at the same extent. The purpose with the reform is also to strengthen regional cooperation in the planning and implementation of the education programs based on several municipalities in collaboration. Government grants are thus to be sought jointly by municipalities. The actors are meaning to be able to provide individual courses based on the individual's needs and conditions, but also coherent vocational training.
VET schools
Who needs to be involved t make VET for adults effective and Why
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.. and what place sectoral approaches
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VET Schools
The link between VET schools and employers is very important since students can bridge knowledge with actual practice in the field.
Some key points from the morning session
This morning's questions have clearly opened
up a wide-ranging discussion and of course have raised yet further questions!
There was particular interest in Industry 4.0
and the rise of digitalisation. Provision may need to move from delivery to
“response mode", with informal approaches to learning using social media
becoming prominent...?
People will also spend longer in the labour
market and have more (different types of) jobs. This is happening now but in
many countries provision of vocational training for adults is very
underdeveloped. But perhaps these countries have the opportunity to
“leapfrog" into digital learning technologies, unencumbered with existing
physical infrastructures?
Another thread involved the question of which
learners to focus on and how to motivate people to engage in learning. Older
workers (“old" being set at different ages, including 45 and 50), the long-term
unemployed, people in jail, and people with low skills were just some of the
groups mentioned.
In terms of motivation, discussion raised
questions about how individuals perceive costs and benefits, and the need to
give individuals a vision of their future and how it might benefit from
learning. The widest range of tools is needed including techniques to raise
self-confidence and self-esteem. Basic skills are likely to be important, since
they are key for enabling people to engage with and interpret information on
learning and labour market opportunities.
And the benefits of learning need to be
communicated not only to individuals but to businesses. Costs and benefits need to be made clear to companies. And there is a need for a concerted effort
in terms of communications to counteract negative perceptions of vocational
training. But here we face the “chicken and egg" dilemma of needing to
have in place high-quality training before we can promote it...
Please join us again at 1330 CET when we will be exploring further the responses that need to be made to deal with current challenges.
change
Hello, I work at school and I can say that today teachers needs to build up her/his own competencies and
make sure that he/she has the right skills for job ,so that the professional
growth does not “freeze”, because things change very quickly during this time.
Currently in Latvia we are experiencing a change in the educational
system that requires learning based on competences. Many teachers are very
skeptical and worried, because it means that they will have to learn more and
change their point of view , but not everyone really wants it. What i see is
that society does not like change and does not like to learn lifelong
and this makes me wonder – why?
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...It's a key question Jolanta
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Yes
There is still a lot of work to do to change attitudes.Educational / pedagogical innovation seems to be a lever for that.This is what we see in French higher education.
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Teachers and changes
And if everything started with the teachers?
To speak of "lifelong training /learning" is now a banality.But, at the moment when this training is not only perceived as the right to personal development available to every individual, where it is also considered as a duty imposed on everyone, at least in its dimension of professional development,it is legitimate to question the expected benefits of this dynamic, largely conveyed by the dominant discourse, and to consider the specific place of continuing education for teachers in the development of professional skills.
And of course, it is legitimate to wonder about the impacts that would have.
If teachers were better aware of lifelong learning?
What would their speeches be?How would they enable the development of lifelong learning?
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teacher training
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